The colloquy of Zachary Costa

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This is that conversation.


Spammer

  • Subject: Legal for _Payload
  • On: Aug. 17, 2017, 10:36 a.m.

Hi
​Adam
,

This is Matt, Co-Founder and CEO of UpCounsel
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and I reached out last week about how we're helping startups take care of
their day-to-day legal work (contracts, intellectual property, employment)
– while reducing their legal bills by half.

Would you like to sign up for our 10 minute demo to learn how we can help
​_Rocket
?

You can also chat with a lawyer
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for a free consultation.

Matthew Faustman | UpCounsel
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Co-Founder & CEO

Try It
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On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 3:35 pm, Matt Faust wrote:

Hi Amin,

Wanted to see if you caught my message below, and if you were interested in
a 10 minute demo to learn more about UpCounsel
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and discuss _Payload's legal needs?

Matthew Faustman | UpCounsel
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Co-Founder & CEO

Try It
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If you'd like me to stop sending you emails, please click here
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On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:11 pm, Matt Faust wrote:

Hi Amin,

I'm Matt, Co-Founder and CEO of UpCounsel
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A tech-enabled legal solutions provider & Menlo-backed company
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.

I reached out a while back, and wanted to see if you had any legal items or
questions I can help with?

Companies like Airbnb, HotelTonight and Stripe rely on us to handle their
day-to-day legal work – while saving 60% on their legal bills, this
includes:

- contracts, trademarks, terms of service, patents, visas, etc.

Get started
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with a complimentary consultation.

Matthew Faustman | UpCounsel
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Co-Founder & CEO

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Spamnesty

  • Subject: Re: Legal for _Payload
  • On: Aug. 17, 2017, 10:36 a.m.

Hi,
Great, thanks. Could we have a short call to discuss the specifics? What are your contact details? Also, what is your pricing model like?

Zachary Costa
CEO, MNesty, LLC

Spammer

  • Subject: Re: Legal for _Payload
  • On: Aug. 17, 2017, 2:48 p.m.

Thanks for the note Zachary.

My colleague Steve Palombo is conducting demos in a small group format, so
there will be a few others in attendance, but you'll have the opportunity
to ask any questions you’d like in the group discussion section. Below are
a few time slots we have open tomorrow and early next week:

Friday (8/18) at 10:30am PST Tuesday (8/22) at 10:30am PST
Wednesday (8/23) at 1:00am PST

The cost for counsel really depends on the attorney and the density of the
project. Hourly rates range from $150-$250/hr. Here is some additional pricing
info
<https://tracking.cirrusinsight.com/473687e7-3260-43e6-9d78-475c47fdf8b5/upcounsel-com-pricing>
as well.

Also - if you have an immediate need, feel free to post a job
<https://tracking.cirrusinsight.com/473687e7-3260-43e6-9d78-475c47fdf8b5/upcounsel-com-jobs-new>

<https://tracking.cirrusinsight.com/473687e7-3260-43e6-9d78-475c47fdf8b5/upcounsel-com-jobs-new1>–
there's no cost or commitment associated with posting a job and getting
proposals and a free consultation.

Spamnesty

  • Subject: Re: Legal for _Payload
  • On: Aug. 18, 2017, 2:32 a.m.

Hello,
Can you give me some more info about what you're offering? Specifically, how does it apply to our business? How can we use this?

Zachary Costa
CEO, MNesty, LLC

Spammer

  • Subject: Re: Legal for _Payload
  • On: Aug. 18, 2017, 5:13 p.m.

No problem Zachary.

Essentially what UpCounsel does is connect businesses to a network of top
tier, independent attorneys for one-time and ongoing legal needs while
saving 60% on legal spend compared to traditional firms (for things like
contracts, intellectual property, labor and employment, etc... - virtually
any business legal need). Most of our customer have an in-house attorney or
a relationship with a firm, and use UpCounsel as a supplement for ad-hoc
project or work that requires more specialization.

The cost for counsel really depends on the attorney and the density of the
project. Hourly rates range from $150-$250/hr. Here is some additional
pricing info
<https://tracking.cirrusinsight.com/1742da2b-2771-4d59-ad2c-1c297157330e/upcounsel-com-pricing>
as well.

If you have an immediate need, you can post a job
<https://tracking.cirrusinsight.com/1742da2b-2771-4d59-ad2c-1c297157330e/upcounsel-com-jobs-new>
–there's no cost or commitment associated with posting a job and getting
proposals and a free consultation.

You'll hear from attorneys typically within the first few hours of posting
at which time you can message back and forth with those who reach out and
set up a free 15 minute consultation.

Let me know if you have any questions - more than happy to schedule the
group demo with Steve as well if you'd like.

Spamnesty

  • Subject: Re: Legal for _Payload
  • On: Aug. 18, 2017, 7:12 p.m.

Hello,
Thank you for your email! However, I don't know if this will fit in our budget. Is there anything better you could do?

Zachary Costa
CEO, MNesty, LLC

Spammer

  • Subject: Re: Legal for _Payload
  • On: Aug. 18, 2017, 7:54 p.m.

Hey Zachary - as I mentioned, attorneys create their own pricing, so the
best way to get an accurate quote is to post a job
<https://tracking.cirrusinsight.com/0f2d2391-9f09-465e-906f-c4bb3967c6c7/upcounsel-com-jobs-new>
.

Spamnesty

  • Subject: Re: Legal for _Payload
  • On: Aug. 19, 2017, 1:54 a.m.

Hello,
I am a bit busy now, but I am definitely interested. When can we talk?

Zachary Costa
CEO, MNesty, LLC

Spammer

  • Subject: Re: Legal for _Payload
  • On: Sept. 12, 2017, 11:22 p.m.

Hi Zachary - hope all is well. Following up on our email exchange last
month.

If you're still interested in more info, feel free to check out our *video
demo*
<https://tracking.cirrusinsight.com/9dd4af41-d669-4b49-b3f8-8d8e24409827/upcounsel-com-get-started>
which
explains how UpCounsel works and how we can save you time and money on the
legal front. If you have any question afterwards, I'm happy to send over
some options for group demo, or answer any questions you might have via
email.

For any immediate needs, feel free to *post a job*
<https://tracking.cirrusinsight.com/9dd4af41-d669-4b49-b3f8-8d8e24409827/upcounsel-com-jobs-new>
– there's
no cost or commitment associated with posting a job and getting proposals
and a free consultation.

Spamnesty

  • Subject: Re: Legal for _Payload
  • On: Sept. 13, 2017, 8:18 a.m.

Hello,
Can you give me some more info about what you're offering? Specifically, how does it apply to our business? How can we use this?

Zachary Costa
CEO, MNesty, LLC

Spammer

  • Subject: Re: Legal for _Payload
  • On: Sept. 13, 2017, 6:43 p.m.

Sure Zachary.

Essentially what UpCounsel does is connect businesses to our network of top
tier, independent attorneys for one-time andongoing legal needs while
saving 60% on legal spend compared to traditional firms.

Most of our customers have an in-house attorney or a an outside firm they
work with, and leverage UpCounsel as a supplement to those resources (for
routine work, ad-hoc projects, or tasks that might require specialization).
Some customers use UpCounsel as their main legal service provider, for
anything from contracts & agreements to intellectual property to labor and
employment, etc.)

Hopefully that helps. As mentioned, feel free post a job
<https://tracking.cirrusinsight.com/2aac0671-0650-4bb6-975f-9b3aa5a1ba38/upcounsel-com-jobs-new>
if you'd like to give it a try - there's no cost or commitment associated
with posting a job and getting proposals and a free consultation.

Spamnesty

  • Subject: Re: Legal for _Payload
  • On: Sept. 14, 2017, 6:20 a.m.

Hello,
Thank you for your email! However, I don't know if this will fit in our budget. Is there anything better you could do?

Zachary Costa
CEO, MNesty, LLC